Tuesday, December 30, 2014

212 - David Mann, "Creating a Lean Culture," 3rd Ed.

Today's guest is David Mann, talking about the new 3rd edition of his Shingo-Award winning book "Creating a Lean Culture." David tells us what's new in the book and we discuss "leader standard work" and other elements of a Lean culture.

For a link to this episode, refer people to www.leanblog.org/212. You can find links for buying the book and see a video of David talking about the new edition.

For earlier episodes of the Lean Blog Podcast, visit the main Podcast page at www.leanpodcast.org, which includes information on how to subscribe via RSS or via Apple iTunes.

Podcasts are sponsored by KaiNexus and their continuous improvement software platform -- www.KaiNexus.com


Wednesday, October 08, 2014

211 - Mark Graban on "Healthcare Tech Talk:

Today's episode is actually the republication of an episode of the "Healthcare Tech Talk" podcast, #23, where I was a guest of Terry Baker and Kelley Hill, talking about Lean healthcare for an audience of healthcare IT and IS people. This is being shared here with their permission.

I hope you'll check out their entire podcast series at http://healthcaretechtalk.net/ or via iTunes and other places to get podcasts.

For a link to this episode, refer people to www.leanblog.org/211.

For earlier episodes of the Lean Blog Podcast, visit the main Podcast page at www.leanpodcast.org, which includes information on how to subscribe via RSS or via Apple iTunes.

Podcasts are sponsored by KaiNexus and their continuous improvement software platform -- www.KaiNexus.com


Monday, September 29, 2014

210 - Lean in Washington State Government

My guests today are Darrell Damron and Hollie Jensen and we're talking about Lean in Washington state government. Darrell and Hollie are both state employees, serving in the role of Enterprise Lean Consultant within a team called "Results Washington." I've seen them both present at a Lean Enterprise Institute summit and I'm really happy to have them share their ongoing improvement story here in the podcast.

In the episode, we talk about their backgrounds and how they got started with Lean - Darrell in the public sector and Hollie at Starbucks. How did the state of Washington get started with Lean? What are some of their goals and accomplishments? How is Lean a strategy under Governor Jay Inslee and why is Lean a non-partisan issue that was supported by both gubernatorial candidates in the last election? What are some of the challenges that lay ahead for Washington?

For a link to this episode, refer people to www.leanblog.org/210.

For earlier episodes of the Lean Blog Podcast, visit the main Podcast page at www.leanpodcast.org, which includes information on how to subscribe via RSS or via Apple iTunes.

Podcasts are sponsored by KaiNexus and their continuous improvement software platform -- www.KaiNexus.com


Wednesday, September 10, 2014

209 - George Friesen, Lean, Kaizen, and Idea Boards

My guest for episode #209 is George Friesen, Business Practice Leader for Lean Transformations in the Workforce Solutions Group at St. Louis Community College.

In this episode, we talk about his early experiences at the GM/Toyota NUMMI plant, why candor and trust are so important in a Lean transformation, and how to engage front-line employees in Kaizen and continuous improvement, and much more.

For a link to this episode, refer people to www.leanblog.org/209.

For earlier episodes of the Lean Blog Podcast, visit the main Podcast page at www.leanpodcast.org, which includes information on how to subscribe via RSS or via Apple iTunes.

Podcasts are sponsored by KaiNexus and their continuous improvement software platform -- www.KaiNexus.com


Monday, September 08, 2014

208 - Michael Bremer, "How to Do a Gemba Walk"

Joining me for episode #208 is Michael Bremer, author of the recently released eBook How to Do a Gemba Walk. Michael is president of The Cumberland Group, a business improvement consulting firm based in Illinois.

In today's episode, Michael talks about different types of gemba walks, key behaviors that need to be exhibited by leaders, and why it's critically important to build trust and credibility over time. How can gemba walks help a leader be more in touch with reality in the workplace? How can gemba walks help develop critical thinking skills in others? Listen to find out.

For a link to this episode, refer people to www.leanblog.org/208.

For earlier episodes of the Lean Blog Podcast, visit the main Podcast page at www.leanpodcast.org, which includes information on how to subscribe via RSS or via Apple iTunes.

Podcasts are sponsored by KaiNexus and their continuous improvement software platform -- www.KaiNexus.com


Tuesday, August 26, 2014

Podcast #207 - Chris Jerry, The Emily Jerry Foundation, Part

Episode #207 is part two of my conversation with Chris Jerry, founder of The Emily Jerry Foundation. The foundation was created in the aftermath of the tragic death of his daughter, Emily - a preventable medical error caused by a number of factors and bad systems. You can read Emily's story here.

In the first part (Episode #203), Chris told the story of what happened. In part two, we talk about topics including:

A systems view vs. blaming an individual

Chris skipping over the "anger" phase of grief

Why his barber required more certification than a pharmacy tech compounding medications?

"Emily's Law" was passed in 2009 in Ohio and he's working on this nationally

How he learned his ex-wife pursued the criminal charges against Cropp

Publicly forgiving Cropp and meeting him face to face for the first time

How we're all fallible and capable of making a mistake

All of the elements of the system have to fit together and work together

Differences between advances in automotive safety over time and healthcare safety

Warning people without demonizing the individuals

The importance of patient and family involvement

How to reduce hospital acquired infections - hand washing!

How much progress is being made in the patient safety battle?

For a link to this episode, refer people to www.leanblog.org/207. Part one was at www.leanblog.org/203.

For earlier episodes of the Lean Blog Podcast, visit the main Podcast page at www.leanpodcast.org, which includes information on how to subscribe via RSS or via Apple iTunes.

Podcasts are sponsored by KaiNexus and their continuous improvement software platform -- www.KaiNexus.com


Friday, August 08, 2014

206 - Ed Pound, "Factory Physics for Managers"

My guest for episode #206 is Ed Pound, co-author of the book Factory Physics for Managers: How Leaders Improve Performance in a Post-Lean Six Sigma World that was released in April. It is, of course, a new version of the original Factory Physics textbook that I used in college and was the subject of Podcast #25 with Prof. Mark Spearman.

Ed is the chief operations officer of Factory Physics, Inc., a company started by Spearman.

In the podcast, we talk about the term "Factory Physics" (including the origin of the term) and what it means, including understanding the relationships between capacity, throughput, inventory, and variability. Ed also brings up great points about "dogma" versus manufacturing science, including dogma that can get companies in trouble, including:

- Thou shalt have no finished goods inventory
- Thou shalt have single piece flow, always
- Thou shalt always have a moving assembly line

We also talk about the subtitle of the book and what he means by a "post-Lean Six Sigma world" (it doesn't mean a world without Lean or Six Sigma). It's a great discussion and I hope you'll enjoy it, even if you don't work in factories. The lessons and ideas are certainly applicable.

For a link to this episode, refer people to www.leanblog.org/206.

For earlier episodes of the Lean Blog Podcast, visit the main Podcast page at www.leanpodcast.org, which includes information on how to subscribe via RSS or via Apple iTunes.

Podcasts are sponsored by KaiNexus and their continuous improvement software platform -- www.KaiNexus.com


Sunday, July 20, 2014

205 - Joe Schnur, Hand Hygiene & Patient Safety

Episode #205 is a conversation with Joe Schnur, VP Business Development at Intelligent M, a company that "designs data-driven hand hygiene compliance improvement solutions for hospitals that dramatically reduce healthcare-acquired infections and their associated costs." Joe and I share a passion for improving patient safety and we've had a number of great conversations comparing notes on the problem and the different ways we need to work toward solving it. We decided to finally record one of those discussions for a podcast.

In the podcast, Joe shares some shocking statistics about "hand hygiene compliance" - that while hospitals report numbers that are far higher, the typical care provider washes or cleans their hands only about 20% of the time. One management challenge (and sales challenge for Joe) is that hospital executives might find it too easy to sit back and point to the inaccurately high numbers that claim 90%+ compliance (numbers that are based on sampling instead of real data).

When I first started talking to Joe, I was skeptical about a "monitoring" technology for healthcare professionals, since I see hand hygiene as a system problem (lack of time, empty gel dispensers) that management has to work to fix... it's a process problem. But, I think (as in many cases) there is a role for technology that can be supportive of people (patients and staff) and can enable systemic improvement. What's the proper balance between individual accountability and the role of "the system?" I'm curious to hear what you think (you can post a comment on this post).

For a link to this episode, refer people to www.leanblog.org/205.

For earlier episodes of the Lean Blog Podcast, visit the main Podcast page at www.leanpodcast.org, which includes information on how to subscribe via RSS or via Apple iTunes.

Podcasts are sponsored by KaiNexus and their continuous improvement software platform -- www.KaiNexus.com


Monday, July 14, 2014

204 - Paul Plsek, Lean & Innovation at Virginia Mason

Joining me today for Episode #204 is Paul Plsek (@PaulPlsek) and we're talking about his excellent book (a Shingo Research Award recipient this year) titled Accelerating Health Care Transformation with Lean and Innovation: The Virginia Mason Experience. Virginia Mason, of course, is Virginia Mason Medical Center, the outstanding Lean organization that was named "Hospital of the Decade" by Leapfrog Group.

In our discussion, we touch on topics including how you can be Lean AND innovative, how an organization and people can LEARN to be innovative, and what is the health system board's role in this innovation and improvement strategy? I think you'll enjoy the discussion (and the book!).

You can learn more about Paul, his book, and his work at his website: www.directedcreativity.com.

For a link to this episode, refer people to www.leanblog.org/204.

For earlier episodes of the Lean Blog Podcast, visit the main Podcast page at www.leanpodcast.org, which includes information on how to subscribe via RSS or via Apple iTunes.

Podcasts are sponsored by KaiNexus and their continuous improvement software platform -- www.KaiNexus.com


Friday, July 11, 2014

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Sunday, June 22, 2014

203 - Chris Jerry, The Emily Jerry Foundation, Part 1

My guest for Episode #203 (and future follow ups) is Chris Jerry, founder of The Emily Jerry Foundation. The foundation was created in the aftermath of the tragic death of his daughter, Emily - a preventable medical error caused by a number of factors and bad systems.

I first learned about this tragedy a few years back and I blogged about it: "A Pharmacist’s Jail Cell Interview – What Good Does Blame Do?" Some people ask, "Why are you defending a pharmacist who screwed up and killed a sweet little girl?" The main victims were, of course, Emily and her family. That doesn't mean that a simplistic response of punishing and jailing one person will do anything to protect other patients in the future... and Chris Jerry agrees with that view.

I saw Chris speak at a conference earlier this year and we finally found an opportunity to record a podcast after talking about this for a few years off and on. The story is powerful and I admire Chris for his work and advocacy to help others -- as a way of honoring Emily and her life and memory.

In this first part, Chris tells the story of what happened. I'll release the remaining audio as either one or two more parts in future podcast episodes.

For a link to this episode, refer people to www.leanblog.org/203.

For earlier episodes of the Lean Blog Podcast, visit the main Podcast page at www.leanpodcast.org, which includes information on how to subscribe via RSS or via Apple iTunes.

Podcasts are sponsored by KaiNexus and their continuous improvement software platform -- www.KaiNexus.com


Thursday, June 12, 2014

202 - Patrick Graupp, TWI in Healthcare

My guest today for Episode 202 is Patrick Graupp, co-author of the excellent book Getting to Standard Work in Health Care: Using TWI to Create a Foundation for Quality Care, co-authored with Martha Purrier from Virginia Mason Medical Center. If you're brand new to the Training Within Industry (TWI) model, you might want to first listen to Episode 196, with Jim Huntzinger, on "What is TWI?"

Patrick is also a senior master trainer with the TWI Institute. His other publications include the book The TWI Workbook: Essential Skills for Supervisors, a Shingo Research and Professional Publication Prize Recipient for 2007 and Implementing TWI: Creating and Managing a Skills-Based Culture which was published by Productivity Press.

For a link to this episode, refer people to www.leanblog.org/202.

For earlier episodes of the Lean Blog Podcast, visit the main Podcast page at www.leanpodcast.org, which includes information on how to subscribe via RSS or via Apple iTunes.

Podcasts are sponsored by KaiNexus and their continuous improvement software platform -- www.KaiNexus.com


Thursday, June 05, 2014

197 - Kim Barnas, "Beyond Heroes"

My guest for episode #197 is a hospital leader I really respect, Kim Barnas, author of the new book Beyond Heroes. Until very recently, Kim was a Senior VP at ThedaCare, leading Appleton Medical Center and Theda Clark Hospital. I've seen Kim speak to groups at ThedaCare and a few conferences and she has a lot to teach us about Lean leadership, using her stories and experiences in a way that's very powerful. I hope you'll check out the book.

In the podcast today, we talk about topics including her initial reactions to Lean when first introduced to it as a hospital leader, why "heroes" are overrated and sometimes create "chaos" in healthcare, and the importance of moving beyond tools and projects to a Lean culture and management system.

Kim talks about the need to "create more value" (not just reduce waste), saying "just trying to do more with less makes no sense - you need a plan." We also talk about programs like GM's "Speak up for Safety," where she says that speaking up "needs to be a conversation, not a reporting" transaction.

Please leave a comment and join the discussion about the podcast by visiting the blog page for this episode at http://www.leanblog.org/197

For earlier episodes of the Lean Blog Podcast, visit the main Podcast page at www.leanpodcast.org, which includes information on how to subscribe via RSS or via Apple iTunes.

You can also listen to streaming episodes of the podcast via Stitcher: http://landing.stitcher.com/?vurl=leanblog

If you have feedback on the podcast, or any questions for me or my guests, you can email me at leanpodcast@gmail.com or you can call and leave a voicemail by calling the "Lean Line" at (817) 776-LEAN (817-776-5326) or contact me via Skype id "mgraban". Please give your location and your first name. Any comments (email or voicemail) might be used in follow ups to the podcast.

Please leave a comment and join the discussion about the podcast by visiting the blog page for this episode at http://www.leanblog.org/196

For earlier episodes of the Lean Blog Podcast, visit the main Podcast page at www.leanpodcast.org, which includes information on how to subscribe via RSS or via Apple iTunes.

You can also listen to streaming episodes of the podcast via Stitcher: http://landing.stitcher.com/?vurl=leanblog

If you have feedback on the podcast, or any questions for me or my guests, you can email me at leanpodcast@gmail.com or you can call and leave a voicemail by calling the "Lean Line" at (817) 776-LEAN (817-776-5326) or contact me via Skype id "mgraban". Please give your location and your first name. Any comments (email or voicemail) might be used in follow ups to the podcast.


Monday, June 02, 2014

201 - WorkOut Process at Mary Greeley Medical Center

Joining me for episode #201 are Ron Smith, a Process Improvement Coordinator/Lean Facilitator at Mary Greeley Medical Center (in Iowa) and Suz Kaprich, a consultant with KaiNexus (disclosure: I'm on the management team of KaiNexus and have an ownership stake in the company).

Today, they are talking about a three-month "WorkOut" process that Ron and Suz ran recently at the hospital. Given the challenges in today's healthcare environment, the focus was on cost reduction and financial benefits, but they of course made improvements to the timeliness and quality of patient care, as well. The total financial impact, validated by finance, was about $800,000 in that time. The goal was not just to drive short-term improvements, but to also demonstrate how improvement was possible... to help spark a culture of ongoing continuous improvement.

Through the course of the WorkOut, Mary Greeley Medical Center used the KaiNexus web-based software platform to facilitate and track their improvements and results and they remain a customer of KaiNexus for their ongoing improvement efforts.

For a link to this episode, refer people to www.leanblog.org/201.

For earlier episodes of the Lean Blog Podcast, visit the main Podcast page at www.leancast.org, which includes information on how to subscribe via RSS or via Apple iTunes.


Tuesday, May 27, 2014

200 - Paul Spiegelman, "Patients Come Second"

My guest for episode 200 is Paul Spiegelman, author of the book Patients Come Second: Leading Change by Changing the Way You Lead. Today, we're talking about his book and its provocative title - what do you mean patients don't come first? What about this trend for "patient-centered care" (and why wasn't it patient-centered to begin with?).

In the podcast, Paul talks about:

The book's title and how it was meant to be provocative
Why focusing on engaged employees leads to better patient care and more success for the organization
How do we crate engagement?
Why is it important to connect things to purpose and values?
Why is being vulnerable important and why is that the sign of a strong leader?
And more....

Please leave a comment and join the discussion about the podcast by visiting the blog page for this episode at http://www.leanblog.org/200.

For earlier episodes of the Lean Blog Podcast, visit the main Podcast page at www.leanpodcast.org, which includes information on how to subscribe via RSS or via Apple iTunes.


Thursday, May 22, 2014

199 - Jeff Gothelf, LeanUX

Joining me for episode #199 is Jeff Gothelf (@jboogie), talking about "Lean UX" or "Lean User Experience," a key method for software development, usually used in conjunction with design thinking, agile development, and Lean Startup business practices. Jeff is author of the book Lean UX: Applying Lean Principles to Improve User Experience and he is Managing Director at Neo, the global product innovation company.

Jeff is teaching a workshop in Austin on June 10 called "Lean UX Bootcamp: Agility through cross-functional collaboration."

I barely know anything about LeanUX, but have chatted with Jeff before and read the first few chapters of his book... but my role here is to just ask questions... Jeff will explain Lean UX to us today. I'm taken by the parallels between Lean UX (along with Lean Startup) and more general "Lean," as I know it in manufacturing and healthcare.

It's about deeply understand the customer and their needs, forming hypotheses, and iterating in an experimental and data-driven way... a departure from the old way of the designer "knowing" what the customer wants or a software company writing a huge specification document (about "half of which never got used," says Jeff). Lean UX designers are problem solvers, they "get out of the building," and they get their designs (or even just sketches) in front of customers to get feedback early and often. It's better to do small, inexpensive tests of change... if you're going to fail, better to fail early and fail often... and we'll be more successful as a result. That's good solid Lean thinking and Kaizen thinking.

Please leave a comment and join the discussion about the podcast by visiting the blog page for this episode at http://www.leanblog.org/199.

For earlier episodes of the Lean Blog Podcast, visit the main Podcast page at www.leanpodcast.org, which includes information on how to subscribe via RSS or via Apple iTunes.


Wednesday, May 14, 2014

198 - Harry Kenworthy, Lean in Government

Episode #198 is a discussion with Harry Kenworthy about his work bringing Lean into local and state governments. We had a great conversation that touches on the influence of Dr. W. Edwards Deming and many other concepts that might be of interest even if you're not interested in "Lean Government" and the work happening there.

Harry is Principal and Manager of the Quality and Productivity Improvement Center (QPIC, LLC), a consulting organization he founded in 1984 and has been with full time since 2004. He worked with Dr. Deming in 1983-85 on a series of 2 day seminars throughout the US, sponsored by MIT. He has spoken at over 90 conferences on Quality, Productivity, LEAN, and Six Sigma, and has been published several magazines including Quality Progress and Purchasing. He also had working relationships with Dr. Joseph Juran and Dorian Shainin.

He was one of the first practitioners to apply LEAN in the Government sector in the mid-90's. Harry was also a Malcolm Baldrige National Quality Award Examiner from 1989-1991, a licensed Professional Engineer and a Certified Quality Engineer.

He worked at a NYSE listed, global manufacturer, for 26 years in a variety of capacities: Operations Manager, Division Manager, Group VP and, for his last 3 years, as Corporate VP, Manufacturing. He was the Executive Lean Six Sigma (LSS) Champion: leading the LSS effort and developing the LSS training program, which incorporated the best of traditional Six Sigma (DMAIC), LEAN, and a series of Specialized Problem Solving Techniques. He provided LSS training in the US, Europe, Japan and China.

For 9 years, he was on the Board of Directors of a Japanese Joint Venture based in Nagoya, Japan. The JV was a key supplier to Toyota and Harry was able to learn about LEAN through Toyota. He also had a long term relationship with JUSE (Japanese Union of Scientists and Engineers) which administered the Deming Prize in Japan and had the honor of visiting several Deming Prize winning companies.

Harry holds a Bachelor of Science degree in Materials Engineering from Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute and an MBA in Finance from Syracuse University.

Please leave a comment and join the discussion about the podcast by visiting the blog page for this episode at http://www.leanblog.org/198.

For earlier episodes of the Lean Blog Podcast, visit the main Podcast page at www.leanpodcast.org, which includes information on how to subscribe via RSS or via Apple iTunes.


Wednesday, April 23, 2014

197 - Kim Barnas, "Beyond Heroes"

My guest for episode #197 is a hospital leader I really respect, Kim Barnas, author of the new book Beyond Heroes. Until very recently, Kim was a Senior VP at ThedaCare, leading Appleton Medical Center and Theda Clark Hospital. I've seen Kim speak to groups at ThedaCare and a few conferences and she has a lot to teach us about Lean leadership, using her stories and experiences in a way that's very powerful. I hope you'll check out the book.

In the podcast today, we talk about topics including her initial reactions to Lean when first introduced to it as a hospital leader, why "heroes" are overrated and sometimes create "chaos" in healthcare, and the importance of moving beyond tools and projects to a Lean culture and management system.

Kim talks about the need to "create more value" (not just reduce waste), saying "just trying to do more with less makes no sense - you need a plan." We also talk about programs like GM's "Speak up for Safety," where she says that speaking up "needs to be a conversation, not a reporting" transaction.

Please leave a comment and join the discussion about the podcast by visiting the blog page for this episode at http://www.leanblog.org/197

For earlier episodes of the Lean Blog Podcast, visit the main Podcast page at www.leanpodcast.org, which includes information on how to subscribe via RSS or via Apple iTunes.

You can also listen to streaming episodes of the podcast via Stitcher: http://landing.stitcher.com/?vurl=leanblog

If you have feedback on the podcast, or any questions for me or my guests, you can email me at leanpodcast@gmail.com or you can call and leave a voicemail by calling the "Lean Line" at (817) 776-LEAN (817-776-5326) or contact me via Skype id "mgraban". Please give your location and your first name. Any comments (email or voicemail) might be used in follow ups to the podcast.

Please leave a comment and join the discussion about the podcast by visiting the blog page for this episode at http://www.leanblog.org/196

For earlier episodes of the Lean Blog Podcast, visit the main Podcast page at www.leanpodcast.org, which includes information on how to subscribe via RSS or via Apple iTunes.

You can also listen to streaming episodes of the podcast via Stitcher: http://landing.stitcher.com/?vurl=leanblog

If you have feedback on the podcast, or any questions for me or my guests, you can email me at leanpodcast@gmail.com or you can call and leave a voicemail by calling the "Lean Line" at (817) 776-LEAN (817-776-5326) or contact me via Skype id "mgraban". Please give your location and your first name. Any comments (email or voicemail) might be used in follow ups to the podcast.




Sunday, March 16, 2014

196 - Jim Huntzinger, What is TWI?

My guest for episode 196 is Jim Huntzinger, founder of Lean Frontiers. Today, we're talking about the Training Within Industry methodology and his new website WhatIsTWI.com.

We are discussing topics including what a typical TWI "journey" looks like for an organization, how TWI is such a fundamental Lean concept/method, and some examples of how TWI is helping organizations in various industries, including healthcare. What's the latest in the seven years since our first podcast on this topic?

Please leave a comment and join the discussion about the podcast by visiting the blog page for this episode at http://www.leanblog.org/196

For earlier episodes of the Lean Blog Podcast, visit the main Podcast page at www.leanpodcast.org, which includes information on how to subscribe via RSS or via Apple iTunes.

You can also listen to streaming episodes of the podcast via Stitcher: http://landing.stitcher.com/?vurl=leanblog

If you have feedback on the podcast, or any questions for me or my guests, you can email me at leanpodcast@gmail.com or you can call and leave a voicemail by calling the "Lean Line" at (817) 776-LEAN (817-776-5326) or contact me via Skype id "mgraban". Please give your location and your first name. Any comments (email or voicemail) might be used in follow ups to the podcast.

Sunday, March 02, 2014

195 - Steve Montague, Lean TeamSTEPPS for Patient Safety

Joining me for episode #195 is my friend Steve Montague from LifeWings. Steve and I met initially through our shared interest in Lean and, like Ron Pereira, we discovered we both lived in Keller, Texas (I've since moved to San Antonio).

Steve is a retired Navy pilot and currently flies for a major commercial airline. He's also been involved, through LifeWings, in the movement to bring aviation safety practices (and culture) to healthcare via "Crew Resource Management" or "TeamSTEPPS." He's also been on the forefront of combining Lean and TeamSTEPPS, something we both agree is a great idea.


In honor of National Patient Safety Awareness Week, we talk about topics including:

- Steve's background with CRM in aviation and healthcare
- Why CRM isn't just about checklists, but also learning how to "communicate more assertively" in the cockpit or operating room...
- How Lean and CRM / TeamSTEPPS fit together conceptually
- How standardization and iterative improvement fit together

There's so much we could talk about, so we barely scratched the surface on this topic. If you have questions, we can do another podcast. Please post them as comments on this post.

For a link to this episode, refer people to www.leanblog.org/195 -- go there for some links and material that Mark wrote to share with the listeners (and he'll have a guest post soon that expands on the thoughts in the podcast).

Please leave a comment and join the discussion about the podcast by visiting the blog page for this episode.

For earlier episodes of the Lean Blog Podcast, visit the main Podcast page at www.leanpodcast.org, which includes information on how to subscribe via RSS or via Apple iTunes.

You can also listen to streaming episodes of the podcast via Stitcher: http://landing.stitcher.com/?vurl=leanblog

If you have feedback on the podcast, or any questions for me or my guests, you can email me at leanpodcast@gmail.com or you can call and leave a voicemail by calling the "Lean Line" at (817) 776-LEAN (817-776-5326) or contact me via Skype id "mgraban". Please give your location and your first name. Any comments (email or voicemail) might be used in follow ups to the podcast.